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 Post subject: Gandhi and Vegetarianism
PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:59 am 
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First Name: Bharat
Last Name: Vala Patel
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I am a Hindu and like millions of Hindus around the world do not eat animals
because of the belief of non-injury and non-violence to animals, we believe
that one's karma and spiritual progress will be impeded because of eating animals,
so in a nutshell, for moral reasons. Also, I do not eat animals because I really love them,
not only because or religious and spirtual reasons but deep down in my heart, I have
a sense of bond and unity with them and know that we are all God's creations.
Most of the problems in the world like climate change, species extinction, violence,
deforestation, water shortages, poverty and hunger will all be resolved if we all change
to a plant based diet.

One of the most popular persons who was a proponent of vegetarianism was Mahatma Gandhi (though this is common practice and a way of life for millions of Hindus around the world)
below is an excerpt from Keith Akers "Truth-Force and Vegetarianism" (web site http://www.compassionatespirit)

Truth-Force and Vegetarianism by Keith Akers
(This article was written in January 1998)

"Spiritual progress does demand at some stage that we should cease to kill our fellow creatures for the satisfaction of our bodily wants." --Mahatma Gandhi

This month marks the 50th anniversary of the violent death of the apostle of nonviolence: on January 30, 1948, Mahatma Gandhi was assassinated in India. Many throughout the world admire Gandhi and want to work for peace. Few of these admirers, however, have really understand Gandhi's own words about what peace requires: a commitment to nonviolence which includes both animals and humans.

Gandhi's vegetarianism is usually ignored. The motion picture epic "Gandhi" (which appeared in the early 1980's) popularized the life and ideas of the Mahatma, yet during the length of this otherwise excellent motion picture there was never a single reference to Gandhi's vegetarianism.

Part of the reason for the "invisibility" of Gandhi's vegetarianism is that so many in India are vegetarian anyway. However, Gandhi was vegetarian as part of a conscious ethical choice, not just adherence to Indian culture, as he makes clear in his Autobiography. Gandhi actually experimented with meat-eating in his youth, then gave up meat consumption just to please his mother. Later, in England as a young student, he read a pamphlet by Henry Salt entitled "A Plea for Vegetarianism" which completely convinced him. "From that day forward," Gandhi says in his Autobiography, "I may claim to have become a vegetarian by choice"--and the spread of vegetarianism "henceforward became my mission."

Gandhi had a straightforward concern for animals. Nonviolence includes nonviolence towards animals--the devotee of ahimsa (or nonviolence) "shuns to the best of his ability the destruction of the tiniest creature." He was a lacto-vegetarian, consuming goat's milk, but resolutely avoided meat. When Gandhi spoke to the Vegetarian Society in England in 1931, he said that he would never eat meat even in the face of death: "If anybody said that I should die if I did not take beef-tea or mutton, even under medical advice, I would prefer death." Gandhi viewed moral commitment as essential to the vegetarian cause. He observed that those who became vegetarian solely for health reasons often had great difficulty in remaining vegetarians, while those who were vegetarian for ethical reasons were much more consistent in their practice.

There is a second aspect to Gandhi's vegetarianism, and that is Gandhi's radical economic views. For Gandhi, violence is inherent in any form of exploitation or inequality. "If we are to be nonviolent," he said, "we must then not wish for anything on this earth which even the meanest or the lowest of human beings cannot have." Gandhi lived a very simple lifestyle, insisting on sharing in manual labor and at his death had only a very few possessions.

This has obvious implications for anyone eating a typical American-style diet. There is no way that all humans could ever be "raised" to such a destructive standard of living. The earth's resources cannot sustain even the meat-eating of a small, privileged minority; it certainly cannot sustain such a massive waste of resources by all humans, were everyone to eat even half the meat of the average American.

It has been said that vegetarianism alone cannot solve the world's problems; even if the world were to become entirely vegetarian tomorrow, other problems remain (overpopulation, overconsumption, etc.) which might even worsen the problem of world hunger. There is some truth in this. For everyone to become vegetarian overnight, would be the ecological equivalent of winning the lottery; it would release vast resources of land, water and energy. But just as real-life lottery winners sometimes actually wind up in debt due to mismanagement of their resources, so the human race, if it fails to act in accordance with Gandhi's universalism, might still wind up with more environmental problems than before. We need to focus on regulating all of our actions on the principle of global equality, as well as our actions with regard to food.

Gandhi's most famous idea was that of "truth-force" (or satyagraha) as a means of resisting the British rule of India. But the essence of truth-force is the repudiation of violence and the use of ahimsa (or nonviolence): "ahimsa and truth are so intertwined that it is almost impossible to separate them." And how can one be nonviolent without being vegetarian? If we still eat meat, are we not part of the world of violence toward animals and the earth? If we still eat meat, are we not part of a system of global indifference to those who are starving? Does not truth-force require vegetarianism?

Gandhi warned against abrasive relationships with meat-eaters. Vegetarians need to be tolerant of others if they want to convert them to vegetarianism. However, we should certainly not remain silent about vegetarianism. "Truth hates secrecy . . . there must be no watering down of the ideal. . . . A Satyagrahi [practitioner of truth-force] has no secrets to keep from his opponent or so-called enemy."

Many are reluctant to invoke vegetarianism in their work for peace. Some do not even see any connection between vegetarianism and peace at all--they think that violence towards people is wrong, but that this can be neatly separated from violence towards billions of innocent animals each year.

None of this has support in Gandhi's thought. Quite the contrary: for Gandhi both vegetarianism--and speaking out about vegetarianism--is a moral necessity. While we should adopt humility and tolerance in our relations with meat-eaters, we as vegetarians are not just allowed, but required, to voice our ideals. Truth-force requires nothing less.

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Bharat Vala Patel
Cincinnati, USA
Lenasia, SA


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 Post subject: Re: Gandhi and Vegetarianism
PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 9:10 pm 
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Thank you for your story about Gandhi.
I've met a Hindu officer on a boat during a lunch on board. My husband and I were having a salad with shrimp and he was eating a stuffed tomato with spinach and goatcheese. He was talking to us about fish being living beings as well as other animals. We' told him we didn't eat meat. During this lunch we got convinced that eating fish was not what we wanted to continue. We even didn't finish our meal and ordered a tomato as well. He was so convincing without pushing. He made a difference in our life and I am happy he did. B We sometimes still ate fish but it didn't feel right anymore. The book really got us over the edge. Your story too. Maybe you are that officer :)


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 Post subject: Re: Gandhi and Vegetarianism
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It says on Wikipedia that Gandhi eventually adopted a fruitarian diet and sustained that diet for five years (before having to give it up for health reasons). I was disappointed to discover this. This is my own personal opinion, of course, but I think having an issue with killing plants is effed up and kind of crazy, and it makes me sad to think of Gandhi in this light.

Though I realize there are those who disagree with me about fruitarians, and can, for instance, point to Natalie Angier's article,

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/science/22angi.html


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